tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-84502347645038068012024-03-07T20:08:20.660-08:00THE AMISH AND USAUTHENTIC...ORIGINAL...
COMMENTARY YOU WON'T FIND ANYWHERE ELSE.easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.comBlogger176125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450234764503806801.post-45601247257081132602010-05-01T18:48:00.000-07:002010-05-01T19:30:15.648-07:00Pure idiocy<span class="Apple-style-span" style=" color: rgb(51, 51, 51); line-height: 18px; font-family:'Trebuchet MS', 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;font-size:14px;"><div><p style="padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 1.53846em; margin-left: 0px; "></p><blockquote><p style="padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 1.53846em; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="http://amishamerica.com/2010/04/trial-by-fire-in-holmes-county.html"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#999900;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Even though</span></span></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#999900;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"> I’d had a half-dozen Amish review the manuscript, it did seem a bit like a trial by fire, to be up speaking in front of dozens of experienced Amish businesspeople about their culture and vocation.</span></span></p><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#999900;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">A panel of five—four Amish and one non-Amish—’grilled’ me afterwards. The panel included an accountant, a CFO, a local attorney, and a couple others, most of whom were business owners themselves. Not to toot my horn, but the talk and Q-and-A went quite well and apart from some minor quibbles the response was quite positive (phew!).</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div></div></blockquote><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">No specifics, just self serving aggrandizement. He's doesn't have one single critical thing to say about them. He doesn't really say much about them at all, beyond flowery rhetoric, so what could their response be? It's not like Amish people engage on an everyday basis in incisive and spirited debate on anything of consequence, that involves themselves! Remember, for them, acquiescence,conformity, and submission are the highest virtues! So what was he really expecting here?</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">How deceitful of Wesner to portray this as if it were some crucial test, as if these Amish folks were the equivalent of having his book reviewed by his peers!</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">And he's the "expert" on the Amish!?</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><br /></div></div></span>easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.com35tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450234764503806801.post-51665624008222495232010-04-08T06:03:00.000-07:002010-04-17T05:48:28.009-07:00Selling a productHe's all about "respecting the amish", but all of his work is like a finely tuned marketing ploy with the soul objective of turning the Amish into a commodity. What could be more demeaning?<div><br /></div><div><a href="http://amishbusinessbook.com/">http://amishbusinessbook.com/</a></div><div><br /></div><div><a href="http://coachrontunick.podomatic.com/player/web/2010-04-05T09_54_16-07_00">http://coachrontunick.podomatic.com/player/web/2010-04-05T09_54_16-07_00</a></div><div><br /></div><div>In the interview above Wesner talks about shunning. He pauses, noting that an Amish friend wants him to be careful how he portrays shunning. The answer he gives is the kind of response you could expect from a fortune five hundred company's media spokesperson. It's a pretty hard sell to pass off shunning to western culture as a benign or even virtuous thing, but Wesner pulls it off. The resulting resemblance to reality is similar to the work by his corporate counterparts. </div><div>It's not that Wesner's portrayal is wrong, it just doesn't tell the whole story. A big contributor to the negative impact of shunning is that Amish adherents never had a valid choice in the first place when they "chose" to join the church. Wesner of course perpetuates this myth also during the interview. The Amish leaders of course, have an enormous interest in the concept that members are making a valid choice when they join. The question becomes, why is Wesner carrying their water for them?</div><div><br /></div><div>My conclusion is that, to market his product he has to clean it up. It can't be messy or complicated and so what you end up with is this slick, produced image. And what is it for? Who does it serve and who benefits?</div><div>Certainly not the Amish! </div><div>In the end he's not writing about the Amish, he's producing a product that's little more than fantasy land imagery for western culture to amuse its self with.</div><div><br /></div><div>During the interview the host of the show asks a trivia question which is a quote by Abigail Adams. The quote is "if we are to have heroes, statesmen, and philosophers, we need learned women". It's an incredible whistling past the graveyard moment. Here they are just gushing about the Amish whose women certainly don't have the opportunity to be learned and do any of the slimy shit fucks so much as even bat an eye over the inconsistency of their fawning attitude towards the Amish and the inherent implication of that quote? To me it's like they're dancing on the grave of Amish society and they're completely oblivious of what they're doing! </div><div><br /></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; "><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); "><span style="font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 15px; ">He talks a lot about the Amish business owners relationship with their employees. Notice he didn't interview any of the workers?<br /><br />If you listen to these Amish guys he interviews, it's all about giving value to the customer. I wonder what the folks who bought the "Amish heater" would say to that. Especially those who are struggling to make ends meet and bought into the false advertising of how it'll save them money!<br />Wesner doesn't talk about that, does he?</span></span></span> </span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif;font-size:100%;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif;font-size:100%;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px;">The success rate of Amish businesses may have something to do with the autonomy and options that are available to Amish workers. There's really no where for them to go. Their training and education are limited. With their transportation limited to a horse and buggy or paying a taxi, that doesn't give them many options, when it comes to the number and range of jobs they can practically apply for. If they work for an Amish employer, the employer typically pays for transportation via a taxi.<br /><br />You know, in any other format, the targeted audience for this book would be screaming socialism, or communism when they see the concepts that are espoused in it!<br /><br />Staying with the theme of value given, how about the sick and genetically flawed puppies sold by Amish entrepreneurs? </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif;font-size:100%;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif;font-size:100%;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px;">Wesner talks about fancy cars sitting outside of Amish shops. He also ties their faith in with their success. For any one who has the tiniest grasp of who the Amish are, their values, and heritage it's a natural conclusion to question whether building cabinets for 1 million dollar homes is a good thing for the Amish. It's not a question that holds any interest for Wesner though. Along with the fact that he doesn't interview any employees, not to mention any Amish that aren't as comfortable with, excess and ostentatious consumption, just how skewed is his view of the Amish?<br /><br />Or maybe more importantly, how big a disservice to the Amish is this schtick that he's peddling?<br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif;font-size:100%;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif;font-size:100%;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px;">Went to see Wesner speak at Etown college last night. Every time I hear to one of these "experts" on the Amish it's just sad and pathetic to the point that I literally become nauseous. I guess I just shouldn't attend these things anymore, but I figured I'm busting his chops, I should at least show up and give him an opportunity to prove me wrong. I thought maybe if I'm in the same room with him it'll clarify things one way or another.<br />It certainly was eye opening, just not in a good way! It's a surreal experience to sit there, knowing the topic better than anyone in the room, while realizing that what seems to me like a blind man describing an elephant after touching it in one spot, is what passes for cutting edge scholarship on the Amish.<br /><br />For example Wesner couldn't answer a question about whether Amish businesses carry liability insurance! His book is about Amish business! WTF<br />(the short answer is, of course they do) The fact he never asked the question and didn't have case examples in the book speaks volumes about the nature of his work!<br /><br />A question about Amish women owning businesses pretty much reduced him to a mumbling idiot. (the real answer is, the Amish women that own businesses are a fascinating phenomenon.) Wesner just didn't get access to them, primarily because the women know that they live in a society that would judge them harshly if they strutted and preened in the manner that the men did who Wesner interviewed. </span></span></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div>easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.com15tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450234764503806801.post-25286357605241752382010-03-24T05:39:00.000-07:002010-03-27T10:07:21.643-07:00CitizenshipHow do the Amish fit in and work with their host society. All the important issues that arise from the relationship between the Amish and the non-Amish will hinge on the level or degree of participation, or lack there of, from the Amish with their host society.<div><br /></div><div>No one is giving any thought to how the Amish position in society will ultimately play out, or even paying attention to the issues that come up. For example, our judicial system functions in this space of opposing or dueling presentations of prosecution and defense. The Amish, except for an occasional diversion, don't participate in those presentations. They don't defend themselves and neither do they prosecute. What will be the effect of this lack of participation?</div><div><br /></div><div>The Nickel Mines school shooting is an incidence where in the non-Amish situations, (ie; Columbine, Virginia Tech) an independent review always took place. The kind of review that's played out in court under oath. None of that happened after the Nickel Mines shooting. Even though there's evidence that contradicts the narrative given by the police.</div><div><br /></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" color: rgb(51, 51, 51); line-height: 15px; font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">Here's an excerpt from;<br />"The Happening, Nickel Mines School Tragedy" by Harvey Yoder<br /><br /><blockquote>How did I know he was going to shoot? I just felt it. That and because of all the racket outside,We heard a pounding on the double doors in the back. Something<br />strong was being used! Would they rescue us? Then the shooting started.</blockquote><br />(end quote)<br /><br />I've contacted Mr. Yoder and asked him about the above quote from his book, he stands behind it as being an accurate portrayal. He added that "the police were breaking in when the gunman started shooting".<br /><br />I've also attended a public meeting in which Pennsylvania State Police Commissioner Jeffrey Miller was asked specifically about the "pounding on the door" in Yoder's portrayal and he denied that it happened, saying that all the officers were positioned behind the established perimeter when the shooter opened fire.</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 15px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 15px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">If the victims at Nickel Mines would've had non-Amish parents, there would've been an investigation. I can't get it out of my head that what happened at Nickel Mines is a classic scenario of the police getting to close. What if they were way beyond just getting too close but were actually breaking in before the shooter opened fire? Is there a parent anywhere in the world who would want the police pounding on the door of the room where their child was being held hostage by a disturbed gunman? The answer is, of course not, and if this circumstance would've happened to non-Amish parents a lawyer would be on this like flies on poop! Ultimately it doesn't matter what I think and it's even partly a nonissue of exactly what did happen. The problem is that the process by which our society maintains itself is missing.</span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" line-height: 15px;font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" line-height: 15px;font-size:medium;">Isn't it possible that things just went horribly wrong and if so, isn't it in our best interest to know that? What if the authoritarian nature of both the Amish and the police contributed to a lapse in adhering to protocol by the police? What if the police responding to Nickel Mines were already influenced from prior experience that when they're <a href="http://theamishandus.blogspot.com/2007/08/amish-or-english.html">dealing with the Amish</a> they're not going to be held to the same standards as they are when they're on a non-Amish call? </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" line-height: 15px;font-size:medium;">Exposure to nontraditional work environments has elicited a more assertive mind set among some Amish. Is it so hard to imagine that when the police arrived there were some Amish men present who were chomping at the bit to have this situation resolved? Add to this the fact that the Amish knew the perpetrator. I recall listening to many a tale, told by Amish farmer aquaintainces, of some hassle they were having with their milk truck driver. Apparently there are high turnover issues with drivers, which heighten tensions over what clean up is expected from the driver at pick up and disputes over whether Sunday pick ups are acceptable. My experience is that the Amish are very hierarchal, particularly in their relationships. So about the time that the police showed up I'm guessing it was high time to put the milk man in his place. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" line-height: 15px;font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" line-height: 15px;font-size:medium;">What if this is what really happened? It would put the whole forgiveness business in a different light. Actually it would make the instant forgiveness make more sense. The realization that may have been overwhelmingly obvious to those present, that confrontation was inextricably linked to the outcome, would inherently remind the Amish of what their faith asks of them! If they in fact contributed to an overly aggressive response by the police and the resulting response it evoked from the shooter, would surely have reminded them of the commandment to "love thine enemy".</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" color: rgb(51, 51, 51); line-height: 15px; font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">Given the mind boggling horror of the situation, I don't doubt that they reached for forgiveness, and fervently so, it's the only thing they had left at that point. Under this scenario, forgiveness of self could be extremely elusive, and given the enormity of the task at hand, they did what any diligent worker does, they got started.</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 15px;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 15px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">My hypothesis portrays what can only be defined as an epic failure on the parts of both the Amish and the police. Consider for a moment how grotesque the failure of the media was if my portrayal has any validity. Where would that leave us? If an incident of such magnitude as this one can be so distorted and misread, and no one blinks an eye, then what is real in this relationship between the Amish and the non-Amish? If this event did occur in the manner I portray here and the resulting failure of perception isn't corrected and exposed, what manner of shenanigans will flourish in the resulting vacuum of reality?</span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 15px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 15px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">The axis of social cohesion upon which western culture turns is centered on a poking and prodding of what is real, or at least the quest for what is real. There are always vested interests in having reality defined in one way or another, but western culture has the luxury of being established in such a way, that there is always someone testing the veracity of those claims. What will be the result of a suspension of this protocol for how western culture functions, being exhibited by the Amish in this example?</span></span></span></div>easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.com13tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450234764503806801.post-70073645170315493372010-03-22T17:37:00.000-07:002010-03-23T06:07:10.190-07:00Are the Amish a dying culture?Using the methods and standards of anthropology, how would the Amish hold up when compared to societies that are considered to be in decline? Are they preserving their language? I would say they aren't. Are they telling their own story? Again, my judgement says they aren't. Can they as a society respond to the issues and challenges that they face? I would again say they're failing in that regard. <div><br /></div><div>There isn't an Amish entity that is minding the store with regards to language. For example there isn't an Amish word for computer. They just use the English term. No one is keeping an eye on usage and regional differences when compared to the process that occurs with the English language. Precise definitions aren't being honed and preserved. What happens is that the language becomes very passive.</div><div><br /></div><div>I would venture that 95% of the writing done on the Amish is done by non-Amish authors and that writing ends up being more about the authors own culture rather than about the Amish. This results in the Amish identity being defined by someone else.</div><div><br /></div><div>Amish faith teaches that they're supposed to see themselves as being like "strangers in a foreign land" with regards to their relationship with their host society. The issue of puppy mills and the way the Amish handle it is such a grotesque violation of what their faith asks of them in this case, that I would conclude that they're unable to govern themselves in such a way as to live up to their own values. The Amish can dictate the most minute detail of their adherents lives and yet in this case they're impotent to effect a solution. Usually the Amish try to fly under the radar of any controversy unless it directly effects their religious convictions. Just what in gods name do puppy mills have to do with their faith?</div>easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.com10tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450234764503806801.post-56764591803109676712009-04-14T07:41:00.000-07:002009-04-14T07:59:47.874-07:00Nobody HomeI think it's time for some leadership on the issues facing our county over the welfare of dogs in commercial breeding operations.<br /><br />Obviously, there are heavily vested interests on both sides of <a href="http://www.puppymilldogsvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=1&id=1&Itemid=13">this issue </a>and, from the <a href="http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/235165">looks of it, </a>they're digging in for what is going to be a nasty squabble that's not going to be resolved anytime soon.<br /><br />Every time powerful interests have a go at each other, there is a side effect known as "collateral damage." In this case it'll be the image of Lancaster County and its citizens, who are going to bear the burden for the carnage that's about to ensue.<br /><br />With this in mind, I've contacted the local parties that I thought would have a stake in avoiding such an outcome. Identifying myself as someone with recent and close ties to the plain community, I contacted the Chamber of Commerce, the tourist bureau, the Humane League, my state representative and the county commissioners, and asked if there was anyone taking a proactive approach to solving the "puppy mill" issue and expressed an interest in participating in a solution.<br /><br />Their response was, regarding an active program, no one was doing anything. And none of them gave me any specific details that would indicate that they're about to change that.<br /><br />Why is it acceptable, for those who are supposed to be looking out for the interests of Lancaster County, to sit on their hands at a time like this?easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.com10tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450234764503806801.post-71076297248470411172009-04-02T14:42:00.000-07:002009-04-02T14:48:05.385-07:00WSJ vid of Dr. Morton's work with the Amish<br /><br /><br /><br /><embed src="http://s.wsj.net/media/swf/main.swf" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" flashvars="videoGUID={6A7D1CBE-FA1E-4D63-8712-CEA3D90F0751}&playerid=1000&plyMediaEnabled=1&configURL=http://wsj.vo.llnwd.net/o28/players/&autoStart=false” base=" name="flashPlayer" width="512" height="363" seamlesstabbing="false" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" swliveconnect="true" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash"></embed>easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.com16tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450234764503806801.post-70413828934943419202009-03-30T17:51:00.000-07:002009-03-30T17:55:20.468-07:00Take that, NPR!<blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);"><a href="http://www.goshennews.com/local/local_story_089102344.html">Unfortunately</a>, when an incident like the crash makes headlines, rumors begin that Amish parents allow or even encourage their children to “sow their wild oats” during this period.<br /><br />That is simply not true, said Levi Barkman, bishop of Amish church district 34-1 between Millersburg and Topeka.<br /></blockquote>easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.com14tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450234764503806801.post-55164385000623635092009-03-28T10:30:00.000-07:002009-03-28T10:50:50.600-07:00Cracks in the systemDid the Amish church commandeer Daniel Stoltzfus' employees? <a href="http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/234582">(Intell March 4.)</a> After the employees are gone, how is he supposed to pay off the loan? Amish businesses have so many exemptions nowadays that his profit margin may not have survived after hiring non-Amish employees, so without cash flow or a means of generating it, he wasn't going to qualify for a loan with a non-Amish lender. Not only did he lose his livelihood here, he also lost his home.<br /><br />The courts so far haven't granted Stoltzfus any reprieve, but it seems to me that this situation reflects the very essence of why we are a nation of laws. Because without laws we become groups of feuding tribes.<br /><br />Is that what the judges who are hearing these cases want for the shunned Amish like Stoltzfus? In essence leaving them to wander like outcasts between the Amish and the non-Amish, neither citizen nor church member?easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450234764503806801.post-85385940732719128382009-03-28T08:15:00.000-07:002009-03-28T09:52:45.158-07:00Color me Apologist<blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);"><a href="http://amishamerica.typepad.com/amish_america/2009/03/amish-puppy-mills-back-again.html">Amish are </a>typically intelligent businesspeople. Think about the furniture we buy when in Lancaster. Pretty high quality, right? Just as with most everything else the Amish sell--those wholesome pies, painstakingly hand-stitched quilts, etc. That's the reputation, in any case.<br /></blockquote><br />See, the Amish are trustworthy and reputable;<br /><br /><br /><blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">So where is the economic sanity in masses of Amish breeders pumping out sub-par puppy product--dogs that die on pet store shelves or shortly after getting them home--as most of these stories and the activists that propagate them seem to imply?</blockquote><br /><br />The logic here is that the Amish wouldn't be stupid entrepreneurs, so the critics must be mistaken.<br />Someone who <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">truly</span> had the best interests of the Amish in mind, would be willing to allow them to be flawed, and would do them the favor of holding them accountable when they're in the wrong.easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450234764503806801.post-71716172184938016062009-03-21T07:28:00.000-07:002009-03-21T07:45:49.654-07:00Betraying our own values<a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102053475">NPR does it again </a>with an erroneous portrayal of the Amish! The idea that Amish kids have a choice whether to join the church or not is a myth. Shame on NPR for letting this therapist promote that concept as if it were real.<br /><br />If he is so oblivious to Amish kids' reality, how is it possible for him to be effective as a therapist for them?<br /><br />Cates portrays rumspringa as serving the role of preventing the Amish from being a cult. This is an outrageous claim, when it is Cates' dishonest portrayal,(the illusion that they have a choice) that has the opposite effect of making them more susceptible to being a cult!<br /><br />And he is the one these kids come to for help! That would drive me to drink too! He admits that if they (his Amish clientele) leave the church after being counseled by him, the Amish would no longer use his services. He makes it sound like it's his responsibility to make sure he doesn't inadvertently influence them in such a way that they would end up leaving. I've got a piece of advice for him. He better not over compensate so much that he becomes a part of the coercive machinations of their community that are trying to get them to stay!<br />Then again, doing so would be a good growth strategy for his business, now wouldn't it!<br />He is the privileged beneficiary of a free and open society. He better not betray the values that enrich his own life in his work with these kids, or I hope he burns in the hell, that his Amish clients are taught to believe will be their fate if they leave!<br /><br />If a teenager has a selection of colleges that he or she can go to, but his parents will only support him or her financially or otherwise if he or she choses one specific college, is that a choice? Now add to that the concept that all of their conscious life the teenager has been indoctrinated in the importance of going to this one specific college, not only by the parents but also by the larger group that they are a part of. Not only is there a constant emphasis on the importance of going to this certain college but there is a very clear distinction made about what happens to those who don't chose the right college. Not only can the ones who don't chose correctly no longer be a part of the group, there is a constant example made of them, how terrible their life is because of their poor judgment. And the entire reason the group even exists in the first place is for the soul purpose of facilitating the opportunity to go to this one college. Keep in mind also that, should the teenager defy all of this and choose a college other than the sanctioned one, he or she is going to be ill prepared to function at any other college because, all their life up to this point was directed towards preparation for the "right" college. Because of this inward focus by the teenager's group, the curriculum and the focus at a college he or she ends up going to will be foreign to him or her.<br /><br />I think it's fair to say that no one in western culture would glibly refer to the above scenario as a "choice" for my hypothetical teenager without at least acknowledging some serious constraints. Neither would they casually accept the idea that teenagers with in this group who are engaging in self-destructive behavior, are just engaging in a benign rite of passage that is actually good for the group as a whole.<br /><br />And yet when it comes to the Amish, it doesn't matter how illogical the portrayal is, everybody is onboard for idolizing the Amish, never mind how grotesque a betrayal of our own values doing so is, or the effect it has on vulnerable Amish teenagers who are desperately in need of rational thought.<br /><br /><br />Don't want to take my word for it? <a href="http://www.irawagler.com/?p=605">This guy</a> has my back<br /><br /><br /><blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">Despite its unprecedented access to wild Amish youth in Ohio, The Devil’s Playground widely disseminated a huge misconception. And a huge disservice to the Amish. One that’s almost impossible to uproot. The belief that the Amish allow their youth a time to explore, to run wild, to live a mainstream lifestyle. To decide whether or not they really want to remain Amish.<br /><br />I’m not saying that never happens. It probably does, in some rare individual families. But as a church policy, it is utterly false across the board. Never has been that way. Never will be. The Amish church does everything in its power to maintain its grip on the youth. Including applying some of the most guilt-ridden pressure tactics in existence anywhere in the world. No sense encouraging anyone a taste of outside life. Because there’s always a good chance they might not return, regardless of their good intentions when they left.</blockquote>easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450234764503806801.post-50123167173402073412009-03-16T07:50:00.000-07:002009-03-17T07:51:06.463-07:00Spin Meister<blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);"><a href="http://amishamerica.typepad.com/amish_america/2009/03/ask-an-amishman-what-do-the-amish-think-about-jews.html">In conclusion</a> we love God because he first loved us, and we should seek his grace rather than his favor, which is reason enough not to judge. We acknowledge we are imperfect, and sinners who need help (grace). The Amish do not judge those of other faiths and denominations, but are not inclined to compromise their own beliefs merely to be accommodating. And to refute a certain stereotype, the Amish do not believe they are the only right ones and all the others wrong.<br /></blockquote><br /><br />The Amish don't judge those of other faiths and denominations? And yet if an Amish boy would want to date a Jewish girl the fucking sky would be a-fallin!, So how is that not being judgemental? Or is he going to get to make up all the rules as he goes along? By whose standards and from what perspective can it truly be said that the Amish aren't judging other faiths and denominations?<br /><br />The reality is, this guy is blowing smoke out of his ass! What is actually said in those Sunday morning sermons is a different story. The Amish are poorly educated and emotional manipulation is a mainstay of how they keep there adherents in line. As long as they want to use coercion to browbeat their children into believing that, yes, everybody else is wrong, then they don't deserve to be seen as reasonable and nonjudgmental, because they aren't!<br /><br />As matter of fact, why don't we turn this up a notch? How about we ask Mr. what's his name, if the Amish ministers ever use the part of scripture that addresses what will happen to Jews who refuse to accept Jesus as the long awaited Messiah to insinuate that the Holocaust was that scripture coming to fruition. How about we ask him if he has ever been in church when such an insinuation was made, and if he was, what did he do about it? Can he look us in the eye and say he will never, in the future sit under a sermon in which such an insinuation will be made. And again, the kicker here is, what's he going to do about it when it does happen?<br /><br /><blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">When thinking about right and wrong, the focus should be on ourselves first of all. This life here on earth involves a lot of different relationships, but ultimately in the end, on judgment day, it will be each person alone with God. </blockquote><br /><br />Is this code for "I'm a helpless pussy, and don't want to be responsible for the vile, ignorant, bile my church perpetuates?easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450234764503806801.post-4259514202045698972009-03-10T13:29:00.000-07:002009-03-10T15:10:36.345-07:00I told you so<blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);"><a href="http://amishamerica.typepad.com/amish_america/2009/03/ask-an-amishman.html#comments">We have a </a>family of 6 boys ranging from age 16 to 3. And believe me they are very creative. there is never a dull moment at our house. My theory has been to let them develop at their own pace. to be there and answer their questions and show them how as they ask. I am reminded of a remark I once heard . that it is no wonder kids are confused . the first 3 years of their lives they are begged encouraged and cajoled to walk and to talk. and then once they master that they are told to shut up and sit down. We try not to give them sensory overload. But with 6 boys in one house maybe it is Mom and Dad that have sensory overload sometimes. Creativity is certainly encouraged. But so is discipline meaning teaching perseverance for one, and also teaching them the difference between yes and no. As to what toys , trikes wagons books dolls Farm animals and equipment games chutes and ladders candy land uno old maid etc. etc. And you know watching the boys sometimes it seems the more simple the toy is the greater their imagination is. They are more fascinated with empty boxes and sticks and baler twine then something with a lot of bells and whistles . I also am fascinated by how 6 boys with the same father and mother and the same genes can be so different from each other. We have the Type A doer . The gregarious, The precise , The imaginative the ham , the sensitive , and the astute ones. And also their mother is a saint<br /><br />Posted by: Mr. X (AAP) | March 10, 2009 at 09:17 AM</blockquote><br /><br /><br />I'm assuming the author of the above piece is the same guy being <a href="http://amishamerica.typepad.com/amish_america/2008/11/an-amish-america-qanda-with-a-lancaster-county-amishman.html#comments">interviewed here.</a><br /><br />This is what was being said about him.<br /><br /><blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">This is a fantastic interview, amazing in fact. A very articulate and educated individual was the subject of your interview. Very impressive indeed.<br /><br />I'd say your friend is probably a little more astute than many of the Amish that I have met, but then again he seems to be more astute than most of the non-Amish I have met as well!</blockquote><br /><br />Here's my thoughts at <a href="http://theamishandus.blogspot.com/2008/11/peace-love-and-balin-hay.html">the time;</a><br /><br /><blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">If the Amish guy had to perform in his admirers' world at a level worthy of the accolades being showered on him, he'd probably crumble like a museum piece that's subjected to the elements after being behind glass for a century.</blockquote><br /><br />I was right, he can barely friggin write! My heart goes out to him. I see myself as barely being able to friggin write either, especially based on what I want to achieve through writing. I cry bitter tears of frustration, almost on a daily basis not only because of how limited my skills are, but also for how tooth and nail I've had to fight for every little scrap of acumen I've managed to scrape together. What's really scary is that aside from a couple notables like <a href="http://theamishandus.blogspot.com/2007/08/reuben.html">Reuben</a> and the author of the <a href="http://www.amishquilter.com/lizzie-buggy-spoke-series-amish-book-p-2212.html">"Buggy Spoke Series",</a> he and I probably represent the cutting edge of writing ability among the Amish. What the hell does that tell you about the Amish schools?<br /><br />And what does it foretell of Amish society?easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450234764503806801.post-9982841470287350152009-03-04T12:50:00.000-08:002009-03-04T14:01:55.145-08:00Straight from the horses mouth<blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">In the comments</span><br /><br /><br /><a href="http://amishamerica.typepad.com/amish_america/2009/03/ask-an-amishman.html#comments">The ordnung</a> is more a set of collective understandings of expected behavior, rather than a set of rules. Why they differ from group to group is because each congregation has a degree of autonomy and also because ordnung develops informally and as much or more,from the lay members up, as from the ministry down. In fact there is hardly any hierarchial structure at all.</blockquote><br /><br />I've been known to be pretty adamant about Amish society being inherently hierarchical. It looks like the mysterious Mr. x begs to differ. He needs to read "Serpico". The behavior of the corrupt officers who were trying to get Serpico to conform to their way of "doing things" was so familiar to me when I read the book that I could've told you what was going to happen next, even though I didn't know the story. That process of threatening someone in such a way that you can deny having done it. Oh yeah, it's for your own good too! The language, the posturing by superiors who were responsible, but needed to cover their butts, it was all so nauseatingly familiar, and the fact that twenty years after Serpico testified, there still wasn't an outside commission appointed to deal with corruption, that was familiar too. The Amish don't act either, not when acting might ruffle a couple feathers at the top.<br /><br /><br />Yeah well, Damn'em! Damn'em all to hell!easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450234764503806801.post-89619858465129687612009-02-25T11:43:00.000-08:002009-02-26T14:20:01.869-08:00Time to rethink the wisdom of Wisconsin vs. YoderPresident Obama<br /><blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">It is our responsibility as lawmakers and educators to make this system work. But it is the responsibility of every citizen to participate in it. And so tonight, I ask every American to commit to at least one year or more of higher education or career training. This can be community college or a four-year school, vocational training or an apprenticeship. But whatever the training may be, every American will need to get more than a high school diploma. And dropping out of high school is no longer an option. It's not just quitting on yourself, it's quitting on your country<br /></blockquote><br /><br />What does this mean for the Amish?<br /><br />A friend of mine in a letter <a href="http://eedition.lancasteronline.com/pages/news/edition/CEAM/20090214/A/9/2120415">to the editor;</a><br /><br /><blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">As stated in Jack <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">Brubaker's</span> Scribbler column of a week ago, there are now approximately 25,000 Amish in our county and, at current birth rates, that number is expected to double in 20 years.<br /><br />Well, taking calculator in hand and rounding out a year for convenience, that works out to 50,000 by the year 2030, 100,000 by 2050 and over a half-million by the end of this century.<br /><br />And, if we want to look seven generations ahead, as environmentalists tell us to do, that works out to about 16 million by the year 2200.<br /></blockquote><br />another <a href="http://eedition.lancasteronline.com/pages/news/edition/NEPM/20090223/A/10/2122693">writer responds </a>to Phil<br /><br /><blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">Phil expanded on that and projected that the Amish population of Lancaster County should be over a half-million by the end of this century and 16 million by the year 2200.<br /><br />There must be some truth in the saying, "The meek shall inherit the earth."<br /></blockquote><br />This is all really funny right now, but once the reality of this population difference starts to be felt it's not going to be fun and games any more. The Amish would've been much better off if they had stayed in the public school system all along, instead of isolating themselves into some fringe cocoon. It would've taken sacrifice on their part, but what's coming at them now isn't going to come without a price.<br /><br />At the very moment that the Amish are entering the non-agrarian work force in droves, their educational readiness to do so is moving in the opposite direction.<br /><br /><br />Here's a<a href="http://podcast.goshen.edu/GCcast/chapel/afternoonsabbaticalnolt.mp3"> link to a lecture</a> by Steven <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">Nolt</span> via Amish America in which he mentions three schools in Indiana that were run by the public school system but were attended by Amish students. The schools recently closed, as did a <a href="http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-9329585.html">similar one </a>here in Lancaster county. Right at the moment when they could be a shining example of a way forward those doors seem to be slamming shut.easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450234764503806801.post-70646342896884614522009-02-24T12:38:00.000-08:002009-02-24T13:16:08.495-08:00Heat on the heater<blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);"><a href="http://eedition.lancasteronline.com/pages/news/edition/NEPM/20090224/A/10/2122982">You can </a>buy a "Lancaster wall'' or a "Strasburg wall'' heater from them.<br /><br />This is all very odd.<br /><br />At a time when millions of people are out of work and/or living in homes they no longer can afford, people are buying decorative space heaters at inflated prices because "Amish,'' who don't ordinarily use electricity, are associated with them.<br /><br />What a great country!<br /></blockquote><br />No Jack, what you have just reported on has no correlation to the greatness of our country. And your attempt to infer that it does is indicative of your sorry assed inability to call a spade a spade. As a matter of fact, it is this kind of lame assed reporting that is hurting my peeps, more than it's helping them, so stuff it!<br /><br />At a time like this it isn't (odd) for this to be happening, it is sad and vaguely morbid. The consequences that the Amish could suffer in lost respect and reputation is immeasurable.easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450234764503806801.post-16553538401578345412009-02-23T08:52:00.000-08:002009-02-23T09:09:57.414-08:00Gettin my hate on<blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);"><br /><a href="http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1235295171275560.xml&coll=2">"Amish man's </a>new miracle idea helps home heat bills hit rock bottom," screams one ad, fashioned to look like a newspaper article. "You'll instantly feel bone soothing heat in any room. You will never have to be cold again."<br /><br />It's an enticing prospect in this winter, and this economy. But a $20 hardware-store space heater provides the same amount of heat.<br /></blockquote><br />Cross posted <a href="http://www.topix.com/religion/amish/2009/02/roll-n-glow-heater-maker-heat-surge-llc-of-canton-uses-amish-craftsmanship-as-marketing-tool">here</a><br /><br />Here in lies the problem. No Amish person in today's economy or in any economy should sell a necessity item like a heater at a grossly inflated price and still consider themselves a member of the human race!<br /><br />Either get rid of the damn broad brimmed hat and be willing to admit that you're just a common sleaze ball huckster or check in your humanity card!<br />It's one or the other, baby, make up your mind!easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450234764503806801.post-50653097035763967512009-02-06T05:50:00.001-08:002009-02-06T06:31:14.205-08:00Selling out the Amish<a href="http://amishamerica.typepad.com/amish_america/2009/02/miracle-marketing.html">He Goes on</a> and on for the entire post;<br /><br /><span style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Trebuchet MS;"></span><blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);"><span style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Trebuchet MS;">The first ad was toeing if not crossing the line. But hard to imagine an Amish producer </span><span style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Trebuchet MS;">giving explicit agreement</span><span style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Trebuchet MS;"> for the second. And if it did, that's a business that's </span><em><span style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Trebuchet MS;">really</span></em><span style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Trebuchet MS;"> run itself off the rails.</span></blockquote><span style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Trebuchet MS;"></span><br /><br />,pretending that he's really sophisticated about Amish sensibilities, but he's completely ignoring the most pertinent issue for the Amish here.<br /><br />Is this heater a scam product? That's what they need to be worried about. Having their name associated with something that a twelve year old can figure out is a rip off, isn't a good public relations move.easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450234764503806801.post-81142333295390690502009-01-25T14:37:00.000-08:002009-01-25T14:59:26.918-08:00Stirring the pot(an excerpt from <a href="http://eedition.lancasteronline.com/pages/news/edition/NEPM/20090112/A/6/2111781">Burke's letter)</a><br /><blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">And there is such a thing as guilt by complicity. Not all Plain People are cruel to animals, but all share responsibility for such cruelty, since they aren't making internal efforts to stamp out abhorrent practices. We aren't hearing the Amish and Mennonite taking a hard stand, or any stand, condemning the mills. They need to and they need to let us hear it.</blockquote><br /><br /><br />I applaud Julianne Burke's assessment, "Puppy mill accountability," Jan. 12. The plain community would be much better off if they took responsibility for the welfare of their dogs in a way that would be above reproach. For the life of me, I can't figure out why they won't get this monkey off their backs.<br /><br />That said, let's be honest, on the other side. This is not just a "plain community" problem.<br /><br />An article in the <a href="http://www.milwaukeemagazine.com/currentIssue/full_feature_story.asp?NewMessageID=24351">Milwaukee magazine</a> 12/22/08 notes that, in 2005, dog breeding was a $14 billion-a-year industry. It mentions a "craze" for "designer dogs" which sell for $3,000 per animal. Meanwhile, the <a href="http://www.hsus.org/pets/issues_affecting_our_pets/pet_overpopulation_and_ownership_statistics/hsus_pet_overpopulation_estimates.html">Humane Society</a> estimates the number of cats and dogs that are euthanized in a year are 3-4 million.<br /><br />Does this excuse the plain community for mistreating animals? Absolutely not! But it certainly reveals that they aren't the only ones off their rocker when it comes to relating to Fido!<br /><br />It's non-plain community folks who created a society totally dependent on the automobile. Let's do a tally of the havoc that cars wreak on animals (wild and domestic).<br /><br />After envisioning all the broken and mangled little bodies left in the wake of our lifestyle, it doesn't leave much question about who has the bigger beam in their eye.easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450234764503806801.post-74518278680002203462008-12-21T18:53:00.000-08:002008-12-21T22:43:50.324-08:00Tis the seasonI do a lot of bitching about what I don't like, here's a couple things that I enjoyed!<div><br /></div><div>Chet Williamson does a parody of the Christmas classic "Twas the Night before Christmas" by Clement C. Moore called "Pennsylvania Dutch, Night Before Christmas". It's illustrated by James Rice </div><div>(see if we can get a couple verses in without ver-hutzen the Copyright police)</div><div><br /></div><div></div><blockquote><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">It vas night before Christmas, und all over the farm,</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">Nothing vas schusslich,* no cause for alarm.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">The socks vere all hung by the chimney chust so,</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">Vith the hopes they get filled up from ankle to toe.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);"><br /></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">The nixnootzes schnoozing vithout any sound-</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">In their heads clear toy candies been dancing around.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">And Mama and me , vell, ve outened the light,</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">Crawled under the covers, and schnuggled up tight.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);"><br /></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">*schusslich (SHUS-LICK)- moving around</span></div></blockquote><div></div><div><br /></div><div>I could maybe get in a twist about the translation of "schusslich" not being accurate but I guess I'm going soft in my old age. I was reading to the grandkids the other day and since it's Christmas time I thought I would read them the original version of "Twas the Night before Christmas". So I asked my wife if we had an illustrated book of it and she said "no, but we have a Pennsylvania Dutch version of it". My heart kind of sank because I really didn't expect it to be any good. (I'm just so fricken used to being disappointed when it comes to writing about the Amish) But to my surprise it turned out that I liked it! I think the grandkids liked it to! </div><div><br /></div><div>Some dude named Belsnickel has replaced Santa Claus. I grew up Amish and had never heard of him so that was just a tad foreign for me, but for some reason, replacing the reindeer with cows was infinitely charming for me. The whole damn schtick is hokey to begin with, so why can't we have a hokey story that's hokey our way? </div><div> </div><div>(a couple more verses)</div><div><br /></div><div></div><blockquote><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">Four cows and four steers-they vere harnessed somehow,</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">And vere dragging behind them an old-fashioned plow,</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">And there, chust behind it, as sour as a pickle,</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">Vas a fella ve knew had to be the Belsnickel!</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">(cut)</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">"Now Jakie, now Becky! Now Rachel, Josiah!</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">On Menno, on Sarah! Esther! Obadiah!</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">And vatch vhere you're going! There's nothing unviser </span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">Than stamping your hoofs into stray fertilizer!"</span></div><div></div></blockquote><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div>The realism of the fertilizer reference is superb. Williamson makes use of the weight difference between cows and reindeer to use this line "I'll send over Stolzfus your broke roof to fix."</div><div>The idea that "our Santa Claus" would know Stolzfus and would tell him about our broken roof, personalizes the myth for me. Even though I'm unfamiliar with Belsnickel, Williamson has him behaving so like one of us, that I can't help but recognize him. </div><div><br /></div><div>(talking about side stepping cow shit, for Gods sake! and passing along a message to someone in the community because he's going that way. Meanwhile the dude is Santa Claus, try holding that picture in your mind!) I Loved it!</div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div>Not to mix apples with oranges here but there's this person posing as an Amish girl on Twitter. I'm pretty sure that it is not an actual Amish person who's leaving the posts. But having said that, the posts are Amish oriented and I think they're actually quite funny. <a href="http://twitter.com/HotAmishChick">Enjoy</a></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div>easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450234764503806801.post-76875594899081979852008-12-19T15:45:00.000-08:002008-12-19T16:13:28.696-08:00npr does it, why not me to?<blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);"><a href="http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2008/12/12/want-a-safe-bet-in-the-mortgage-world-try-the-amish/">Want a safe</a> bet in the mortgage world? Try the Amish<br /><br />The entire planet's mortgage crisis could have been so easily averted. If only all of us were Amish.</blockquote><br /><br /><br />The original article romanticized the Amish. This one does it even more brazenly. How about mentioning what else we would be missing out on if we would all be Amish? Like Polio vaccine, or something really simple that even the Amish use, but wouldn't exist if we depended on them for it, like children's Tylenol.<br /><br />The problem here is that the Amish are being related to as if they weren't really a coherent viable entity. Like, say for example, someone who isn't very health conscious might relate to one of those milkshake drinks that are supposed to be good for you. The thing is probably going to get pitched after a couple of sips or just flat out forgotten.<br /><br />That's in direct opposition to what the article conveys at face value, which is the idea that our lives would all somehow, magically be better, if only we were more like the Amish.<br />The author never bothers to understand the Amish and our relationship with them and vice versa, enough to know whether the references used have any validity or make sense.<br /><br />What contempt she must have for the Amish?<br /><br />What concerns me is, when will this blatant indifference towards the Amish start showing up in public policy towards the Amish? Or has<a href="http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/amish/TJCLIUT3PP5VIU4HH"> it already? </a>easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450234764503806801.post-60461184949387808532008-12-19T15:22:00.000-08:002008-12-19T15:42:17.636-08:00npr poops on the AmishNPR does the typical erroneous portrayal of the Amish<a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=98156907"> here. </a><br /><br />Don't get me wrong, there's some scary stuff going on in the financial world and if Amish farmers are making their mortgage payments and that contributes to the banks staying solvent, I don't mind hearing about it!<br /><br />That said, this piece so distorts reality that it should never have made it past the editor's desk in it's current form.<br /><br />The producers of this piece submitted wholeheartedly to the old canard that the Amish are somehow impervious to the things that effect the non-Amish. The message was unmistakable, (stability vs. chaos).<br /><br />Convenient omission number one. Over 50% of the Amish in Lancaster county aren't farmers. What about their mortgages or incomes?<br /><br />Omission number two, the money that pays off the loans for the farms? Where do you think it comes from? Let me let you in on a little secret, it's not because people are paying $20.00 a gallon for bessie the cow's milk! Simple fact, the money that pays off the farm is not being generated on or by the farm!<br /><br />The money that's paying for those Amish farm mortgages is coming from tourist trinkets, quilts, manufacturing jobs, construction jobs, if the general economy goes south, so will those Amish loan payments.<br /><br /><br />The implied message of the article is that the Amish aren't effected by the financial crisis the way the rest of society is. Whenever they're covering the Amish the media reaches for this theme like a drug addict reaching for a crack pipe, they absolutely, positively, can't help themselves.<br /><br />There was a time when an agrarian life to some extent shielded the Amish from western culture's convulsions. The violence on campuses and civil rights protests during the sixties, or earlier labor disputes that got really ugly are examples, of what one could say, the Amish took a raincheck on.<br /><br />But they're not isolated anymore. It will be of little consequence how well they or their bank is doing at this point, if our economy implodes there's no way those Amish farm loans won't be adversely effected.<br /><br />So exactly what was this story about?easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450234764503806801.post-59697442923367754522008-12-17T20:30:00.000-08:002008-12-17T20:35:05.144-08:00Using the Amish<blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);"><a href="http://www.mcall.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-amish-building-codes,0,6310324.story">"The permit </a>itself might not be so bad, but to change your lifestyle to have to get one, that's against our convictions," Borntreger said as he sat in his kitchen with his wife, Ruth.</blockquote><br /><br />If his convictions were important enough to him, he would seek a solution other than just defiantly ignoring a law he knows his neighbors are required to abide by. He's turning the teaching about "going the extra mile" on it's head if you ask me.<br /><br /><blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">"They just go ahead and don't listen to any of the laws that are affecting anybody else. It's quite a problem when you got people next door required to get permits and the Amish don't have to get them," said Gary Olson, a county supervisor in central Wisconsin's Jackson County, where Borntreger lives.</blockquote><br /><br />This defiant posture is particularly out of character for the Amish whose faith asks of them, "to be like strangers in a foreign land, towards civil authority". It makes me question whether the Amish in these cases are being "coached" or egged on by non-Amish acquaintances, who want to push back against zoning regulations and are using the Amish to advance their cause.<br /><br />The recent political atmosphere has repeatedly produced a marriage of the conservative agenda and the Amish.<br /><br />Here's a letter to the editor I wrote that highlights the incongruities of such a relationship;<br /><br />"the Amish have, only recently, successfully petitioned Congress for an exemption to child-labor laws prohibiting people under the age of 18 from working in woodshops. Amendment HR 1943 sponsored by Rep. Joe Pitts and signed by President Bush in January 2004 permits Amish children, ages 14 to 18, to work in woodshops but prohibits operation of machinery.<br /><br />It makes little sense that a community known for its generous charity to each other would seek, through a child-labor law exemption, to gain access for their children to work in an area known to be fraught with injury and death.<br /><br />The minority views attached to HR 221 reveal no hearings were held where opposition views could be presented, the Department of Justice was not given enough information to make a decision on the constitutionality of the proposed legislation and it was stuck onto the end of the year Omnibus appropriations bill (HR 2673) which ruled out debate and an up or down vote on its own merit.<br /><br />A chilling display of Republican arrogance and disdain for the deliberative process. Conservative ideology agrees with Amish belief when it insists government interference is always bad. But Republicans have a track record of passing legislation that favors the rich and powerful while leaving the weak and the poor to fend for themselves.<br /><br />Are these the kind of values the Amish community wants to be known for?"<br /><br />We're expected to buy this argument that the Amish are unable to practice their faith because of the big bad zoning requirements, and yet, there has never been a time in all of their history in which they've enjoyed such a cozy relationship with the civil authorities.<br /><br />Here in lancaster county President Bush has repeatedly had these "spontaneous" (yeah right, these things are never spontaneous!) private, no press allowed, meet and greets with the Amish.<br /><br />Here's my take on it. I smell a rat, and it's not wearing a broad brimmed hat!easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450234764503806801.post-17790601011533485562008-12-05T08:41:00.000-08:002008-12-06T09:54:16.373-08:00PEACE LOVE AND BALIN HAY, round two<blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);"><a href="http://amishamerica.typepad.com/">I like what</a> John Ruth had to say about the application of Matt 18 which is the model of church discipline. When Jesus spoke about the one who rejects the counsel of the <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">ecclesia</span><br />(church community) he is to be unto us as a heathen and tax-collector.<br /><br />Before we take this to mean that we are to despise such persons, we should remember that Jesus himself socialized with tax-collectors and had friendly relations with Non-Jews. So what he means in his statement regarding the person who rejects the counsel of the circle is that he may be told, ‘We’ll be neighbors, and we’ll treat you as fairly as anybody but we won’t call it church’.<br /><br />In effect, you are not in the church if you don’t listen to it. Just as, if as batter you want to call balls and strikes yourself, it’s not baseball. What ‘shunning’ is about is how to relate to someone who on bended knee has promised in the presence of the covenanted circle to obey Christ and the Church and then leaves that particular covenant. End Quote</blockquote>.<br /><br />I think the umpire reference reveals the archaic, subject versus ruler, reality of the Amish church member. There's a lot of happy talk by folks like <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">Kraybill</span>, that the <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">ordnung</span> is mutually agreed upon. It's all a bunch of shit! There's no debate, no discussion, no dissent, nothing that could ever be construed as being an open forum. Sure everyone agrees, but can it <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3">truely</span> be said that it's not under duress?<br /><br />Holding that thought, he contradicts himself here<br /><br /><blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);"> It is important to remember there is no sacramental value on the ban to the point a banned one is considered as going to hell. The Lord is still the final judge.<br /></blockquote><br />If they're not going to hell;<br /><br /><blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">And as to what it is like when somebody does return. The parable of the lost sheep in Matt 18 is very descriptive. Many tears are shed and there is a feeling of restoration. </blockquote><br /><br />What are all the tears for? If the bitch ass, black sheep, mother fucker would've just stepped out for some air you wouldn't be <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4">bawlin</span> your fool head off, now would you?<br />(sorry, sometimes it just all comes out at once.)<br /><br /><br /><br />Sometimes I wonder if the Amish haven't become a very close reflection of western culture. And shunning is just one of those tricks (like the corporate world uses) to dump their dregs, leaving them with a sexy bottom line.<br />We're starting to understand that when <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5">Walmart</span> uses an accounting gimmick to deprive employees of health care insurance eligibility, we as a society pick up the tab.<br /><br />The Amish peoples practice of shunning may have a price that's being paid by the rest of society also. <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6"></span><br /><br />The main character in the documentary "Devil's Playground" ended up in jail for drug related offenses.<br /><br />How many ex-Amish people are wards of the state? Mental institutions, prisons, homeless, on welfare, whatever. Do they really take care of there own?easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450234764503806801.post-3836863966199516552008-11-25T19:06:00.000-08:002008-12-02T12:13:05.867-08:00Peace, Love, and balin hay<a href="http://amishamerica.typepad.com/">pssssssst<br /></a><br /><blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">none of the Amish are planning on spending any money to make sure we get good coverage.<br /><br />The more serious and authentic coverage can even help some of the Amish understand themselves better.<br /><br />And also there is kind of an awareness that the tone of the media coverage is usually somewhat more respectful and sympathetic than it was 50 or 75 years ago, especially in the academic circles, for which there is an appreciation amongst the Amish.<br /><br />And that really is what this conversation is about—to better understand and appreciate each other</blockquote><br /><br />Ain't it grand how were all just all one happy family? I'm bout ready to burst into tears! <div><br />One of the comments gets a little to close to the truth<br /><div> <blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">I can see that this Amishman is a bit more educated and aware of world happenings than the average. I wonder how the response would be from the "average" Amishman</blockquote><br /><br />Far be it from Eric to associate with the rif raf of the Amish world. He likes to hang with the elite and the ed-you-ma-kated types.<br /><br />(back to the interview)<br /><span style=";font-family:Trebuchet MS;font-size:14;" ></span><blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);"><span style=";font-family:Trebuchet MS;font-size:130%;" >A computer in a home just simply would not fly. I personally have no desire to have one at home largely because of the problem of monitoring who sees what with the children.</span></blockquote><br /><br />It's called a filter, but then again I've always said that "the wife and kids, they just don't need to know what's going on, ya know, that's a man's job". Yeppers!<br /><br /><br /><blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">Some wish for more intense spiritual expression, in other words they do not appreciate the quiet and deep spirituality that can come from traditional methods of worship.<br /></blockquote><br />Oooooh man, you stepped in it now! I'm not religious enough to give a shit about these things, but somebody's gonna bitch slap yo ass on that one!<br /><br /><br /><br />Had I said "circle jerk" yet?<br />another comment;<br /><br /><blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);">This is a fantastic interview, amazing in fact. A very articulate and educated individual was the subject of your interview. Very impressive indeed.<br /><br />I'd say your friend is probably a little more astute than many of the Amish that I have met, but then again he seems to be more astute than most of the non-Amish I have met as well!<br /></blockquote><br />Ya know, they're over there just gushing over this interview, and maybe there's something to it. But I'm getting the sense that what they're doing is the same thing that happens at a museum. They're ogling at a specimen that's behind glass.<br />This interview was probably the staged equivalent of Sarah Palin's convention speech. If the Amish guy had to perform in his admirers' world at a level worthy of the accolades being showered on him, he'd probably crumble like a museum piece that's subjected to the elements after being behind glass for a century.<br /><br /><br />It's kind-a sad, you know. A testimony to the truly oppressive nature of the Amish community. Some blogger manages to roll one out from underneath a rock, and people are AGHAST! LOOK! they scream, "it can even talk!"<br /></div><div> <div> </div></div></div>easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450234764503806801.post-81562547047594811422008-11-08T19:38:00.000-08:002008-11-08T19:56:51.447-08:00LET THE GAMES BEGIN<a href="http://www.wwnytv.net/index.php/2008/11/07/feedback-federal-lawsuit-filed-on-behalf-of-amish/"></a><blockquote style="color: rgb(153, 153, 0);"><a href="http://www.wwnytv.net/index.php/2008/11/07/feedback-federal-lawsuit-filed-on-behalf-of-amish/">A federal lawsuit </a>is being filed against the Town of Morristown by a Washington, D.C.-based legal organization on behalf of nearly a dozen Amish men facing building code violations.<br /></blockquote><br />So the town of Morristown is supposed to buzz off? Then what happens? The Amish will have been granted a "special privilege" that the rest of the citizens aren't privy to.easyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01081887634708412275noreply@blogger.com0